A FUD campaign against XHTML

This was the first time I ever saw stupid people in the Python community. They don't use XHTML because it is not perfect.

Well, as any web designer or web programmer in the world knows, Internet Explorer has always tried and will always try to destroy any standard. And yes, XHTML has its own shortcomings. It is still infinitely better than the pure mess that HTML 4 was.

This FUD is going to increase from now on, because now some people want to sell us that "XHTML has failed" and "HTML 5 will be great".

I did not know there were so many morons who in 2008 still haven't understood this:

Transcribed from #Pylons, 2008-03-15

<mitsuhiko> but as browsers don't implement it currently i have to keep a page compatible to xhtml and html browsers

<mitsuhiko> which is so problematic from so many point of views

<mitsuhiko> starting with different css semantics, different cdata semantics, different javascript behavior etc.

<mitsuhiko> steg: i want to understand why so many people are blindly promoting xhtml without understanding it

<NandoFlorestan> defending common HTML in 2008 sucks

<zepolen> defending xhtml in 2008 sucks, as its more of a 2015 language

<mitsuhiko> NandoFlorestan: show me a page of you where you're doing xhtml

<NandoFlorestan> mitsuhiko, anywhere in oui.com.br

<dpn`> what i know about xhtml i like

<devinus> every modern browser supports XHTML sent as text/html

<mitsuhiko> devinus: nope

<dpn`> mostly that because it is xml you can do all sorts of dandy thing with it

<devinus> so can it everyone, this argument is soooo 1999

<frostschutz> it's amazingly difficult to do some table layouts with just divs

<steg> let's tally NandoFlorestan's fantastic argument so far: "Defending HTML sucks", "People who don't use XHTML are lazy" oh and here's the absolute killer, the one that convinces me most of all... apparently we "drool over table lay outs and are ultraconservative Microsoft-worshiping Bush-adoring XHTML-bashing bastards"

<steg> NandoFlorestan: can you add to this impressive repertoire?

<frostschutz> oui.com.br does not look like xhtml

<mitsuhiko> NandoFlorestan: you're neither having any problematic cdata sections there nor javascript that plays with the dom

<steg> actually wait you sound foreign

<steg> no self-respecting american would be called "Nando"

<zepolen> i bet you support ron paul

<steg> does calling you Nando count as name-calling? ;)

<zepolen> call him obama

• NandoFlorestan looks up this "Ron Paul" guy

<NandoFlorestan> "Congressman Ron Paul is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation's capital." Sounds good

<zepolen> wrong definition

<zepolen> ron paul: master and commander, jesus's 3rd coming

<zepolen> when the terrorists attack, Ron Paul will FIGHT....for a better fiscal policy

<devinus> lol

<devinus> Ron Paul

<devinus> and Obama both have XHTML sites

<devinus> McCain has invalid HTML

<zepolen> NandoFlorestan: what is your website

<NandoFlorestan> oui.com.br

<NandoFlorestan> thank you for such genuine interest in my musings

<NandoFlorestan> such a wonderful audience

<stepz_> xhtml error handling is not exactly ideal for building robust stuff

<mitsuhiko> zepolen: validation is not important, the main problem is if the xml is syntactically incorrect

<mitsuhiko> then the browser must abort rendering with a syntax error

<stepz_> html4 works fine, has no real problems and is more copmatible

<NandoFlorestan> I just wanted to understand what was the reason for the rage against this Ron Paul, he sounds perfectly reasonable to me in the interview

<mitsuhiko> actually america needs yet another gw bush

<NandoFlorestan> america is not a country

<NandoFlorestan> america is a continent.

<NandoFlorestan> the country is called United States of America.

<NandoFlorestan> There are many other countries in America.

<zepolen> if you have a problem with me you will have to take it up with my attorney

<NandoFlorestan> I didnt know there were so many trolls in #pylons...

<maqr[hax]> NandoFlorestan: i really hope that's your real name